his feal cow protectant was over a th000 but then it went down to just 60 in 8 weeks that's the story of Adam my latest client to solve ulcerative kitis using the Mind gut immunity [Music] program hello I'm Dr doser and I'm delighted to announce that we are in our 12th Year and have expanded our reach around us and Canada we have clients in every state as well as Canada and Mexico clients across North America have been able to manage gut inflammation and autoimmune disease without medication to learn more about our approach visit mgic clinic.com and schedule a call we have brand new updates for 2025 and 2026 you're going to want to see what protocols we have that transform lives here you'll meet one of my clients who brought his feal count protectant down to just 60 in eight weeks he was so pleased that his UC improved so quickly using the Mind G immunity method but one of the challenges he still had was intermittent bleeding because his Sleep Quality was compromised it took him several months after his initial recovery to finally fix his sleep and now he's symptom free lots of great lessons here come check it out okay my friend how we doing doing great how are  you good good good um what symptoms do you have right now right now I have no symptoms that's great are you taking any medication just supplements so just kind of the the stuff I'd already be taking so some B12 yeah vitamin D and probiotics that's yeah that's great um and how long have you been kind of on this regimen with us it's now been like a few several months right yeah so I started it was two days before Christmas so it was a crazy time to try and start uh and I had actually expressed some reservations about like hey should we start now like I'm traveling and then my life just kind of got crazy like it was there was some plan trips that I knew were coming and then there was some unplanned stuff that I had to deal with so basically from the end of December to about two three weeks ago which is the middle of April I I wasn't home for more than like two or three weeks at a time due to travel and a bunch of stuff which I think stretched out my timeline for recovery by probably two months by two months it really did because I think in in that time frame we were kind of going back and forth but like you still got a little bit of symptoms here left it was kind of like that it was kind of like that for like a couple months yeah like you got a solid few weeks in and now you know that's what it yeah so so I got back I I took a family trip and it was literally like this was three uh almost four weeks ago now I got back it was like a Sunday we took took a red eye and then by like things were like good on Monday and then like by the by that Wednesday it's like okay think this is like the first time I've seen you know no blood in my poop and no mucus um and just to level set so I I had gotten diagnosed with uler of kitis uh this that was like what you know the the colonoscopy um basically had had conveyed what were your what were your symptoms prior to joining our program yeah so so it's interesting my  symptoms I would argue were like pretty mild obviously they were visually bad but I had like everybody else who gets diagnosed with you know one of these autoimmune issues I went down the rabbit hole of Reddit and in the internet and like saw some you know pretty horrific things and so like got kind of terrified yeah and my symptoms were never that bad it was just there was blood and mucus and then I would say like a pretty like volatile stomach in the sense that I was like sort of afraid to like I had to kind of map out like okay if I'm going to go be on a plane like I'm not going to eat a lot like I'm gonna I'm basically going to fast until I get to where I'm going kind of trying to think through like where is a is a bathroom which for me was super tricky I like to be outside I like to ski and do stuff that like sort of requires being flexible so that the hardest thing for me was just the it was like I I just I did not really have the the control like as someone who used to be like a very regular bowel movement person that that went away and that was that was very like that was a struggle for me for a bit but in terms of like pain or like cramping or being like bedridden or super low energy fortunately I was it was all it was kind of weird to me because I I would argue I was in the best shape of my life like when I figured out this was happening yeah and then I I got an even better shape um because I realized like I actually wasn't eating or sleeping that well um I was you know I was doing my best I was doing a lot of exercise but probably not the right exercise so so now like six months later I'm like no no no no now I'm in the best shape of my life and now I feel really good but yeah it was for me it was like it just was this sort of like nagging thing where I'd like have a couple days and then it was like symptoms would come back and what were your doctors doing at that time because you had a concierge doc you still have  concierge Doc and you had you know some Specialists involved what was the focus of the work you were doing prior to joining the yeah so what had happened was in about October of 2023 I started noticing like bright red blood in my poop like I'd had um you know issues before where we call it like local irritation white there's like a little bit of blood no big deal but this was like that that seems like a lot and then it was like it happened at a point in time where everyone in my house was sick so I was like oh maybe it's like a viral thing and then it persisted for weeks and then I was like okay that's that's not good so then I went to see my my concierge doc who um the good news is like I get blood work done pretty regularly so like I kind of knew like Baseline it wasn't there wasn't something super alarming going on yeah but he was like oh you know you're what are you eating um we tried to do some elimination with a diet we we thought you know some stuff I was eating and then obviously persisted so then we did a uh we did some more specific blood work so we did uh the main one was like a feal cal protectant test which is you know stool sample send it off to a lab and they kind of see what level of inflammation is in is in your stool and so that was in like after kind of like a month or two of trying to figure out what it was did that test that was in November that I found out like Cal protectant was over a thousand which is not good it should be between zero and 100 basically so that was like what's your most recent Cal protected now I haven't done one in a couple months I'm sure it's lower but it's at was at 60 when I did it like a month or two ago yeah and the interesting thing was it was at 60 and I was still like kind of having symptoms you were having intermittent symptoms still at that point right yeah it was still at 60 so it was like things were actually that's that was the when that happened I was like okay like that's great like ton of progress but still there's like the symptoms are lingering lingering symptoms that we were trying to work through exactly exactly and so yeah I did the Cal protectant test and yeah so that was like kind of alarming yeah and then so the next stop was getting a colonoscopy so I could kind of you know by the way that 60 number right the 60  number you got how soon after you started the program because you started at near the end of December how soon after the start of the program did your cow protecting get down to 60 that was about eight weeks I think that was I can look back but it was so I started in at the end of December I think presumably started like over a thousand and went down to 60 within about eight weeks I mean that's yeah great you know that's great yeah so that was that was really nice to see and that kind of like you know kept me motivated me going yeah so so that was good um so yeah I did the colonoscopy you know they obviously like  scope everything and then did did a little bit of a biopsy and determined that I had Ultra colitis so at that point I the the guy I saw to do the colonoscopy was a very traditional GI and and basically said to me what you eat doesn't Ma what you eat uh hasn't brought this on you and what you eat doesn't matter um he he explained to me that basically for Crohn's what you eat might matter but for this it doesn't and I remember being like okay like that's interesting but that just doesn't seem right I'm someone who um I've I've just learned uh a lot over the years like how to take care of my body and uh and I was someone who was into what I was eating and and supplementation and all that and diet and exercise so I just that didn't quite sit right and I I went kind of down another rabbit hole which was you know a lot of people were like hey there's no there's no cure for this take the medicine that was basically I got a pamphlet um McKey gave me a pamphlet and there were like four different medications I could take that was it there was no menu menu of medications exactly so there's no no diet no exercise and I think I I Found You by way of content so like I think I found you through like a YouTube video or something and that's uh just doesn't like on the personal front I I I was a Content marketer for a while and so the fact that there was like a physician who was actually taking the time to like try and uh build trust through the internet was like I like okay I get this person that's that that resonates with me because i' I've done that in like a business context and had a lot of success with that so we I remember we spoke I was I was actually in the car on the way like I was going to Kansas City for Christmas for my in-laws we spoke it was a couple days before Christmas and then with 24 hours we were like okay let's get started and that was uh that was like the 23rd or the 24th of December of 2023 so we're now April 30th of 2024 yeah so yeah that was kind of my my journey and I would say you know within a week or two of of obviously doing the the diet and really like resetting things even though the symptoms weren't gone I I was like okay I notice a difference here what was the  most helpful part of the program would you say I think it was like I mean the the the PDF that you give that's basically like here's the protocol was like that obviously is the core of it that's all of it um I I think that's helpful I do think for most people like I'm I'm someone who has a conci doctor who I can I don't text him that often but it's really nice to have that there yeah I think there are definitely still gaps like yeah you know there's there's things that I just I wouldn't have thought about like I didn't I didn't think like salt was an issue right that was a thing that like okay that that's got to get pulled back obviously like anyone who's not living under a rock knows like eating a bunch of sugar is not good for your body so that was like okay um I think yeah the what was interesting to me is when I before we started working together and I I was kind of on vacation trying to figure things out I kind of went down  like an autoimmune protocol like diet for a bit I went down that that rabbit hole and that is actually very different than what you do so to me I get that question a lot like a lot of people have tried different protocols they're and they're kind of like you know there's a little bit of skepticism with that obviously but then there like you know they see something like what I'm recommending and it's like it's sometimes it's not it's totally night and day it's it's it's contrasting actually there's a lot of that are different and even I am like telling folks like yeah I know that this is kind of what other you know other you know programs do or whatever but it's it's you know in your case it didn't completely fix the problem right and I have a I kind of have a feel for like what it takes to move the needle in a lot of these cases and so that's really how I built out the program is yeah just a lot of these Collective you know this Collective knowledge I've built over I don't know like 12 13 years so yeah and I think that was what drew me to it it's like um you know it's one thing to understand the stuff in like an academic sense like a physician usually does not all GI doctors have had autoimmune issues probably many haven't yeah I'm one of the few I'm one of the few people that have dealt with autoimmune more than one in the course of my lifetime and um I was gonna say I think that that's like a big differentiator because I I think it is very easy for if you're like a traditional GI doctor to say hey medicine is the only answer here because you haven't been a guinea pig yourself to like figure out is that the only answer and so I think that was that was what struck me is like you did it you figured it out it took you a long time you've been doing this for over a decade that that stood out to me as being a very different thing so I think that's a subtle thing that the original question was what what was the like most helpful part for me that in and of itself is was your own personal experience with the issue and then obviously being a Doctor Who's like studied and like SE seen hundreds of people with the issue so I think that was a big thing and then yeah I think you know it's like it's this is different what you do is different in the sense that you know for the first couple weeks it's daily communication pictures of your poop being sent which is know weird it's a weird thing and it's a terrifying thing because like I'm every single time I was worried I was gonna send a photo of my poop to like somebody else by accident um my kids would pick up my phone and like start scrolling through photos and like what what's going on here and so it was like that was kind of a weird thing but I I I think that's for for if you want the results quickly I think that's what's needed right you need that level of accountability yeah when you think about working out you think about doing anything the difference is usually accountability like people people don't need a trainer nowadays there's plenty of content out there to work out the trainers for the accountability is like go somewhere you show up and someone's hovering over you is like telling you to do the workout and so when you think about you know what you're eating and all of that and and how that how it pertains to recovery it's like it's very hard to just completely you know cheat on your meals if you know you're going to have to ship off your My Fitness Pal information to to you so I think I think that that was very helpful um and then just yeah like the you're going to go through like like anything there's there's going to be kind of ups and downs and I wanted to add like that was  one of the challenges we had you know the ups and downs for you the big one of the biggest challenges we identified was sleep yeah so that's and it's such an underrated thing like people are like well I sleep the way I do but you know as you know poor sleep results in elevations in TF Alpha I 6 it just increases inflammatory like you know cortisol just everything it just increases inflammation for two or three days after a bad night and if you're getting like several nights of bad sleep or sometimes even when you're traveling or whatever it's just um it it affects you in a way that even if even despite your best efforts like even though you had a cow protectant down to 60 right the external stresses like sleep and and even stress or something you know from traveling or whatever these things were like such a big issue for us to troubleshoot and try to fix and I remember we were going back and forth for weeks months you know just kind of being like okay well what are we like how are we getting a handle on this you know what are we doing here yeah yeah so I wanted you to give me a little bit like you know give me like if you could just like kind of explain that process and what you learned from it and kind of you know any kind of lessons that you think would be useful yeah yeah um so I have spent a bunch of time learning about sleep as a result of this there's a a series that I sent to you a podcast series it's went from hman right Andrew huberman podcast with this guy Matt Walker who's a sleep scientist and it's a six-part series each podcast is probably almost two hours so it's it's like dense but you could probably listen to the first two and get what you need out of it for me yeah I found by by far the biggest needle mover in terms of like were my symptoms bad or good is whether or not I was sleeping yeah and then what happened I think is that I got so wrapped around the axle of like getting good sleep that I got into my own head and then like my sleep suffered and I then started looking towards supplementation like I took CBD I took THC I took melatonin I took I I started taking all this stuff and actually now I'm taking nothing anymore sleep is is really good and what I found was okay first of all if you're going to do this program like do it at a point in time where you're not traveling and you I have people that travel fulltime and do this program successfully okay so maybe if you're like me someone like sleep has always been delicate maybe that maybe it's just like my it's my composition maybe it's not that I think I I think the combo of traveling is is tough on your body from sleep perspective but it's also obviously it's really hard to keep the diet routine yeah yeah the routine and all that so yeah I I for me that was like the biggest needle mover was was sleep and and figuring that out and I'm still like that's a thing that I kind of struggle with like I've always I've I've never been like an amazing sleeper hasn't never been a superpower for me so I what I found though the thing that worked best for me and I just figured this out like three weeks ago the a lot of the things that help you get to sleep don't help you stay asleep there's actually no supplement that I know of that helps you stay asleep so whether whether you choose to use alcohol or THC or melatonin or magnesium all of these things help you fall asleep they don't help you stay asleep and so that's that's the challenge if you're like someone like me who you know at two in the morning like you you wake up and then you can't get back to sleep these things can kind of like disrupt you know the overall flow of the evening so what I found that that's been like most helpful for me is like having a very like predictable nighttime routine making sure that my lights are like getting lower or dim or off by like an hour before I want to go to bed and then I actually took this little test it's like free online it's a it's basically a chronotype test so basically everyone everyone has a sleep chronotype it it's largely just a gen genetic thing so if both your parents are a certain chronotype there's a high likelihood you are too it's just basically everybody needs you know seven to nine hours of sleep but how and when you get those seven to nine hours of sleep can differ a bit on your chronotype so you fill out this like 15 question survey and it'll tell you like oh you're like an extreme morning person you're a moderate morning person and so that'll help you understand like oh actually like my problem was because I was so like focused on trying to get nine to 10 hours of sleep I was getting into bed at like 8:45 it turns out I'm better I I sleep way better when I go to bed at 10 10:30 so I was going to bed too early I was waking up in the middle of the night I couldn't get back to sleep and it wasn't because of supplementation it wasn't because of like anything other than going to bed at the wrong time and I so get the lights down low um I do think anything you can do to cool your body down so warm shower bath it's really helpful for me temperature seems to be all the research supports that temperature is a huge huge component in your ability to get to sleep and fall asleep so I find like a shower warm bath sauna whatever an hour before bed turn the lights down low I'm someone who has a lot on my plate all the time so I write down everything I'm worried about in a journal it's like nonsense stuff stuff that's important that way it's all out of my head it's onto the paper I get into a chair that's next next to my bed I read and then usually that all happens like by about 10 10:30 I'm like my eyes are like closing like ready to go to bed so getting like the the that's the process that works for me so I sleep from 10 10:30 to 6 6:30 that's like that I I wake up at 6:15 every morning like pretty much before my alarm even goes off at 6:30 that's what started to work well for me so I'd encourage everyone to just figure out like maybe you're there's nothing wrong with your sleep you're just getting into bed at the wrong time and then the other thing I I found out two two other things listening this podcast I found out where one is like it doesn't help you at all to look at the time when you wake up in the middle of the night like just don't look that's like that just stresses you out more I used to do that and be like I've woken up at 2:30 in the morning the past four nights in a row and then you get into your head and then it it just it spirals so I don't I basically have my clock covered up and I have my phone put away if I wake up at whatever time it is I get out of bed so I I I try to get back to sleep for 101 15 minutes the the the guidance given by this guy Matt Walker was if you're laying in bed and it feels like you've been in bed for 20 minutes get out bed go do something else because the last thing you want is to build this Association that your bed is a place where you wake up your bed is a place where you sleep and that's like a lot of times for people you just need to like reconnect that Association so my thing would be cool I'm G to get up I'm gonna read my book until I'm tired so I'm not looking at a clock could be an hour could be 30 minutes could be 10 minutes but I stopped looking at a clock in the middle of the night that was hugely helpful and I started getting out of my bed when I was when I was up um and then I'd get back into bed and hopefully it'd be for for a couple hours and then I stopped just like beating myself up over one bad night of sleep so I think that was like like oh I didn't get good sleep like impressed about not sleeping exactly and I think what a lot of people do is you have a some kind of sleep tracker so you're wearing like an aura ring or like we're going to get an eight sleep um mattress cover which helps with like temperature control that gives you sleep data I think the best thing you can do is not look at that every night once a week if you want to like look at the data and see oh yeah like okay I could do better here here I think that's fine but the the act of like there's actually I forget what the there's a medical term for this now around it's it's basically like tracker induced sleep insomnia where you're like so worried about M you know like micromanaging your sleep and like getting you know closing your rings or whatever that you're you're you're like you don't end up sleeping as well like the the sleep tracker ends up making you sleep worse so I I think that's like these are all things that are very low Tech that cost nothing that make a difference and they're they're simple but not easy obviously it's it's simple to say like okay every night before bed I'm going to do this thing for an hour and have I think the biggest thing is like don't worry if it doesn't happen a night or two nights like you know just like meditation begin again right you want to do this 80% of the time you you you'll if you have great sleep 80% of the time you're doing better than most people so I think that was like my my big thing is I got very worried about the sleep I got very worried about waking up I started doing all the supplementation which probably actually didn't it definitely didn't help me stay asleep maybe it helped me fall asleep and so now I'm like I'm back to pretty much all natur all and trying to follow just this pretty simple routine and that's been that's been hugely helpful for me on the Sleep front that's great that's great so now that you're symptom free y um what are you  looking forward to the most I just want to some fruit again like I'm I'm kind of tired of just eating berries like I want to eat so I'm I'm not someone I actually the diet I don't now that I've become accustomed to it I sort of eat the same way every day it's predictable but we're loosen we're going to loosen up the diet by the way yeah yeah yeah but for me it was like yeah I just wanted to I I texted you I was like I just want to eat a little bit of chicken I'm tired of eating wild caught salmon um just because the other part of it too is the it just is the diet is very restrictive um which makes sense but it just makes you know going out to a lunch with someone incredibly hard or you know doing some of these things a lot harder obviously most of the time we're we're easing up on the diet like I don't want anybody to get the impression that we do do it this strict for this long right right I'm a unique case in that I'm at I'm at month four um but I would say in general yeah it's probably six to eight weeks for the average person yeah and yeah I think the thing for me is just the it's very hard um and once again you're human you eat one meal that's off it's okay but it's very hard to go out to a restaurant and follow the protocol from if you're if you're really trying to stay strict to the diet so that's made it you know just tricky for me I'm not I work from home it's not a big deal but you know people will be like hey do you want to go out to lunch and I'll have to think about like is it really worth like either a should I not eat should I is it worth cheating for this like crappy meal that we're going to go eat and so I I will say the nice thing is it's been very clarifying like of when I do choose to eat something like stray outside the protocol it's like I'm not gonna eat like my I used to like eat my kids dino nuggets because they didn't finish their plate and like I don't I'm not doing that anymore like we're like if I if I eat something it's G to be it's it's going to be worth it um so yeah I think for me though it's like I'm actually I've become pretty accustomed to to and since I'm at home most days it's actually pretty easy to prep food and eat the right way um I like the way I'm feeling overall so I think I I'll I will largely like stay within the confines of the diet that you know is is suggested in the protocol some cheating hopefully yeah yeah and and I think um for me though it's just like I enjoy I like eating fruit like apples and bananas and that's like pretty much the the only fruit you you should be eating if you're strictly following this is berries yeah um so yeah that that's a that one and then yeah just introducing like some chicken back into the mix because you know chicken if you can eat chicken that starts to make it easier to go and get a salad somewhere um and and do some other things so I think yeah just there's and then you know like proteins in general um so I think being able to broaden that a little bit um but yeah I think the biggest thing for me now is like I'm just far less worried you know we we were on a like we went to Hawaii you know which is a seven eight hour flight for us and had two kids two young kids and so like I would say three months ago that would have been terrifying like trying to navigate everything and um this it was it was much you know I wasn't symptom free at that point but I was feeling much better and yeah I think in general like I just I'm back like things are like feel normal and I don't on a given day I'm not like concerned about oh my God am I going to have like an emergent bathroom situation that I'm going to have to like run and like because there were there were days where I was like I was out and I literally felt like oh my God like I'm I'm going to poop my pants like this is I don't know what to do and so I I think like that being out of that like uh just being out of that mindset where you you can't it's it's very hard to plan your day around that like to not have the flexibility um I think that that's just that's the trickiest thing so I think just being back to like it you know ball movements being a like I don't I don't worry about those anymore and I can like go out the whole day and things are pretty normal is is the biggest thing for me is just having that semblance of like predictability that's something to look forward too yeah yeah yeah that's a big one I mean it's one of those things that you um you don't realize how good ruin everything really it's like social all that stuff right well like a quick aside so I spent a month um camping in Alaska like 10 years ago and uh I didn't shower I didn't shave for a month and we were in the wilderness so there's no toilets there's no toilet paper so you're when you're going to the bathroom you're usually using like rock or a leaf or something to to wipe and you don't realize a smooth rock yeah yeah yeah you gotta be I mean you get really selective about the Rocks you pick but the the point I'm trying to make is that when you after doing that for a month and then you go and you sit on a toilet and you use toilet paper it's something you never take for granted again and so my point here is you like you don't real when your stomach is functioning normally something you just are like yes like what happens when you don't have that and you basically are held hostage by your stomach once comes back to normal G you just like realize that's not something you'll ever take for granted again it's like one of those things it's a little small Insight around when you're healthy and things are working there's a lot of things you take for granted and then when that goes away you just realize like if you don't have your health you have nothing doesn't matter how much money certainly helps to get you know good care but money doesn't make you like not sick you're still sick so I think that was like the the biggest thing for me is like I I was very lucky it still am lucky where you know my health issues have been pretty minimal but this is probably like one of the more challenging prolonged things I've dealt with and you just realize like how much everything else becomes unimportant when things aren't your just normal bodily functions aren't working the way they well okay final question what  advice would you give to someone one with IBD Crohn's or colitis or even any other autoimmune condition that is trying to I don't know look for answers and fix their issues I think do not listen to the general wisdom that food and diet make no difference I think like most things you can get incredibly complex and how you want to try and solve a problem but in the end the simplest solution is usually the best solution so what you eat how you sleep in your exercise and and uh and we we'll say like stress in there too diet digestion sleep stress exercise that's yeah which I know I know you're obviously you bang that drum all day as you should that like it's it's easy to talk about supplementation it's easy to talk about all these other things but that like because everyone wants like a silver bullet everyone wants to take a pill and make this easy and that was the thing that like struck me here is all of these medicines that are offered for ulcerative colitis or for Crohn's they fix like the symptom they fix you know if you take mamine as a um a suppository fixes the local inflammation it doesn't fix the underlying problem which is you've got a gut problem yeah the only way to fix the gut problem is to do the simple but not easy thing which is remove all the junk from your diet work out sleep and basically like not be fun for a little while like that's the that's kind of the tradeoff like if you if you want your stomach to return to normal for good or let me say it differently maybe not for good but if you want to fix the underlying problem you have to do the simple not easy thing um and I think it's really easy this is self-care at the end of the day is what you're talking yeah and this is like this just doesn't fix your autoimmune issue this fixes 90% of your other health both current and prospective health issues so if you know you're sleeping well and eating well and don't have stress and you know you're kind of doing these five pillars the likelihood of you having other systemic issues down the road decreases dramatically and you know you're like I don't I wasn't someone who was a huge caffeine person before but I I wake up most days I I feel very good I need no caffeine like and then by the time I it's time for bed like I go to I go to sleep now um and that was that was like a sorry I'll throw one more sleep thing in there that I thought was fascinating yeah naps can be really good but they can also be pretty harmful not not harmful but like they can mess up your nighttime sleep if you're someone like me so if you're someone who struggles with nighttime sleep it's like 20 minute nap early in the day is fine but if it's like within 10 hours of your sleep it can exacerbate the problems which is is definitely not like normally it's like I'm tired I need to go to sleep but like then you're basically alleviating you're alleviating the pressure valve on sleep for for a nighttime so um you know I think like uh yeah I just this is it was this is a hard thing to do um but I think you got you kind of got to trust in the process because it it's it will fix it will likely fix your autoimmune issue and it will fix a whole host of other issues that maybe didn't think you know were like just as simple as like eating the right stuff and going to sleep and um you know so yeah because I've I've had people ask like because obviously doing I've been doing this thing and it's like I'm around other people and I'm eating this very restrictive diet so I kind of had to explain what I'm doing and and I think yeah like everyone's like oh is this a are you doing like a Paleo D are you're doing like and it's like no this is a very unique thing for a specific problem but it yeah it helps in a host of ways and I would say like I I feel really good all around the best I felt all around in a while and now I've just kind of like fallen into the routine of like I I this is what I eat like to what I do makes me feel good and then you know if I travel or whatever it's like I do my best but yeah yeah that's that's the the main thing I'd say is like this is uh like this this fixes many underlying problems and like like most things in life like it's not what you want to hear which is you can't eat whatever you want to eat you can't go to bed like watch as much TV as you want you can't do like you know can't go drink and hang out with your friends as much as you want like you got to make tradeoffs and I think that that's that's the biggest thing just like if you Comm to this for a couple months You' be you'll be pretty surprised PR the prize at the end of it is your health yeah exactly and if you've had a chronic inflammatory disease or autoimmune disease um I'll tell you we don't really take our health for granted very much you know it's something we really value and um yeah I think I think hearing from your story is really going to um you know help people kind of in the same boat right they're just trying to look for Solutions look for something that works and really they're trying to sort out the noise on the internet from what's actually there right what's actually true and fact and know and I will say like like most people like like anything you see thing you're skeptical and you have the right to be skeptical and I obviously like I did you were skeptical too well who is you know you like who isn't it's like here's someone who's promising a result and I would say the thing that made me less skeptical was watching these like watching these videos that you did with other people it's very hard to fake someone coming on and talking for 20 minutes about how their symptoms are are relieved I mean someone who's like a complete pessimist could say oh like you must be paying this guy like no that's that's not what's happening here and like you have a ton of these so it's it's like you know a pretty hard thing to spoof I think that that was like the big thing is because you can it's it's really easy to set up a landing page and make an offer and you know do all these things yeah you're a marketer I'm not yeah well I mean I think you're pretty good at it I mean you like I found you and I had a problem you fixed the problem like clearly you you got something right there I think yeah the the you have every right you can be skeptical about things but just I think the thing that struck me the most is so I you kind of explained to me you know what the protocol was you sent me the PDF and then I gave it to my doctor who's I would argue like a more traditional he's he's very open-minded but he's definitely not like a functional medicine doc he's not someone who's telling me to get on all these different supplements and he's he's someone who recogniz as kind of what his shortcomings are and he was like this seems very measured seems very reasonable right there was know hey these are the weird supplements that you need and I'm the only one who can sell them to you it was all like I said I mean I yeah I don't have any third I don't I don't have that right I'm not so so that felt good because that that is a thing sometimes um but we're literally we're talking about B12 um vitamin D and and probiotics which and magnesium which are once again all things that your body needs and most people are deficient in and you're definitely deficient in if you have an autoimmune issue and these are all like you can you pick and choose go on Amazon go however you want these are everywhere and they're reasonably cheap supplements yeah so I I think that was like the combination of seeing the testimonial seeing like the real people talking about stuff the the that with like looking at the diet and being like okay yes this makes sense like no sugar low salt um trying to in phytonutrients high in phytonutrients um fiber is a good thing getting rid of like a lot of the you know you are what your food eats so you know removing a lot of the traditional proteins because most of them are eating grains and stuff that you know probably isn't helpful for an autoimmune issue so like yeah I mean I went through it and it all seemed very reasonable to me uh and I was you know attempting to do a lot of those things in my life but like this was obviously a very clarifying moment where it's like okay you thought you were doing well you clearly weren't um you could be doing better and and there was a you know a pretty there were some holes and in in kind of like the plan and that's why it was really helpful to be like hey can is I think even people that think that they're healthy right yeah and you were one of those people by the way you were  actually doing a lot of things right yeah I once we get talking and working together it's obvious that there's even gaps in that knowledge right it's not like when these things come up are like very critical things that need to be fixed in order for the problem to be fixed right so yeah and I think there there's also just an element of individuality that's important here like I have familial high cholesterol it's like it's just been the thing in my life forever um I do a lot of things to try and manage it but I've pretty well determined that when I eat a lot of saturated fat like hangs around in my body my body just not good at recycling it so when I think about like I and I tried some some medications and some things to lower my cholesterol and then as a result of this actually I got to redo it because I want to see if I it's dropped more but I I dropped my cholesterol by you know 15 points because I I wasn't eating beef anymore and I wasn't eating coconut and a lot of these things like Coconut's a perfectly reasonable thing to eat um and if you're a normal person like it's it's a great like coconut oil is way better than eating you know some kind of seed oil but for me it's it's not because of my cholesterol isses so I think that's the other thing here that um is pretty unique was just it's like cool you got an autoimmune issue but you also have a cholesterol problem and so that too let's about that um and let's think about you know like just that and aggregate because um yeah I think in in general when you're when you're thinking about it everyone wants a silver bullet when it comes to eating food and that just doesn't exist um but you know you look at like a paleo diet or a keto diet and for me like that it's probably not the right thing to do um even though like it's become mainstream and it's sexy and interesting so I think that's like the the other element here is just there's your autoimmune issue and then there's whatever other baggage you're bringing to the table and having someone who's like trying to and and it's it's a like process it's not like oh from day one this is exactly what you need to do I remember we were like trying different things on the Fly we added in another probiotic all that so I think that's the that's like a really helpful element here um that that was even before we started it was like Hey we're going to be talking every day we're going to be adjusting things and so I think that's um that was a that's really really helpful here where there is a there's Nuance for the individual who's going through the program and in you're trying to you know work through that and help help with that um so I think that that was a that was a big thing but um it's been it's been a pretty awesome experience and I feel good and yeah I mean I feel like you you've delivered on the promise so that's that's an awesome thing that's great all right that's the  end if you think this video will help someone you know be sure to share the link with them leave a comment below discussing your experience dealing with gut inflammation and autoimmune disease and some of the challenges you're facing also if you can follow for more content it helps this channel reach more viewers as always is Dr Chan oser with mind gut immunity clinic and I'll see you next time

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